Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 05:46:12 +0000
<p>John and Damon talk to Mary and Tom Poppendieck about their groundbreaking work translating Lean product development principles to software development, "The Seven Deadly Sins", containers to reduce friction, their best-selling books, and what keeps them from actually retiring.</p> <p>Show notes at <a href="http://devopscafe.org">http://devopscafe.org</a></p>
